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got nerd sniped.

I'm reading about ancient greek and roman coins.

I'm seriously considering buying a handful of 1700+ year old coins.

@ajroach42 Those don't spend, ya know...

@thegibson Gibs, these are more than a thousand years old, neat looking, in reasonably good condition, and less than $15.

That's gotta be good for something.

@ajroach42 I was making light. I think it's very cool!

@ajroach42 @TheGibson gonna be shitting yourself if you invent a time machine and get your ass back to the roman empire and don't even have cab fare, buddy

@djsundog @ajroach42

I think you just wrote a script.

@TheGibson @ajroach42 Something Like "Somewhere in Time" Happened on the Way to the Forum

@thegibson @djsundog @ajroach42 can i steal this?

no reason really

scp

@DrSagan @TheGibson @ajroach42 it is impossible to steal that which is freely given. go forth and pillage brains happily.

@thegibson Right no I know.

But, like, if I walked in to a restaurant in town and said "shit, I don't have my wallet. Uhh, will you take this 1800 year old Roman Coin? It's worth about $20 today, and would have had about $20 equivalent buying power in the roman empire" and they didn't just take it and give me a sandwich, I'd be shocked.

They don't spend, but they spend.

@DrSagan @thegibson @djsundog only if you do something with it. :-D

@ajroach42 @thegibson @djsundog me thinks ill spin an scp article 🤔 scp

@ajroach42 @thegibson @djsundog

note: you arent a jerk, its just rhymes and i find it Funi (tm)

side note: "song stuck in head" one is ALSO from a mastodon trashpost

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Nerd snipped jerk buys roman coins so he doesnt get rekt for cab fair when he goes back in time to the roman era!

So lots of greek and roman coins are reasonably common and especially late era Roman Bronze coins are frequently available in "Very Fine" condition for $5-25.

$10ish for 1500-2000 year old coins seems absurd.

Like, I can think of way less worthwhile things to spend $10 on.

It's useless, but having a few thousand year old coins to keep, to copy, to give as gifts, that seems like a good use of a couple dozen bucks.

@ajroach42 I did not know that. I agree fully with your thoughts on this, and I think I will buy some for that very reason.

@ajroach42 my father got a bunch of those. I thought it was a scam but I figure if you're trying to scam people you'd charge more. Real or not, they still just look cool

@grumpy as best I can tell, most on the market are authentic.

I'm doing some reading, trying to decide what I want to find.

@loke let me know what you get! Post pictures when they arrive.

@ajroach42 I need to figure out where to get them first. Ebay seems a bit fishy.

@loke that's fair. Lots of local coin vendors around me, including a few folks that I know really well, so I'll be buying mine in person.

Trickier in asia, I imagine.

@ajroach42 I know precisely where I intend to go when I finally get to visit Stockholm again. I'm still hoping to be able to do so this year.

@ajroach42 this week, on things I almost bought on eBay: money, but really old. Quite the change of pace from the usual "rack mount whatever for doing stuff my computer already does better"

@ajroach42 how much were those coins originally worth though, adjusted for inflation. You might be getting an excellent value

@cinebox it's really hard to say for most of the copper. Once I've settled on a couple of specific coins, I'll figure it out.

@KoreusZ I feel SEEN

Someone asked (at least a little tongue in cheek) what the buying power of some of these old Roman coins would have been.

It's hard to say with any accuracy, but I found this article which gets in to some of the details: https://web.archive.org/web/20130210071801/http://dougsmith.ancients.info/worth.html

I'm mostly looking at coins from circa 300.

@ajroach42 @ me next time, also I was serious about letting people buy coffee

According to that article:

"By 305 AD a modius of wheat sold for between 2 and 10 nummi depending on location.

Around 320 AD we have a record of bread selling at Antioch for 2 nummi."

(A modius is 10 days of wheat, baked loaves were a luxury.)

It goes on to talk about prices for other goods, but basically by 320 or so, a Nummus was about a modern dollar.

Except, what even is a Nummus?

via wikipedia:

"Nummus is a Latin term meaning "coin", but used technically by modern writers for a range of low-value copper coins issued by the Roman and Byzantine empires during Late Antiquity.

The word was also used during the later years of the Roman Republic and the early Empire, either as a general word for a coin, or to describe the sestertius, which was the standard unit for keeping accounts."

see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nummus

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Follis

and: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinian_bronzes

So, uhh, about a dollar? Unless it was a lot less? Except it might have also been more, and Roman people basically didn't buy any of the things we buy today, so apples to apples is impossible anyway.

condiments ancient and moder.

@ajroach42 you could compare a bottle of ketchup to a jug of that weird gross fish paste the Romans used. That's probably almost comparable between Roman and US culture

condiments ancient and moder.

@marie_joseph @ajroach42 Also, consider that the ancient Romans lived on street food so there's a basis for comparison there.

condiments ancient and moder.

@Reinderdijkhuis @marie_joseph Ancient Romans *in Rome* lived on street food, at least.

condiments ancient and moder.

@marie_joseph @ajroach42 The Big Mac Index, but it's meat onna stick instead of burgers.

@ajroach42 I wonder how many of the items in the Consumer Prices Index standard Basket of Goods (used for tracking inflation) are comparable: https://pastebin.com/3WvWLfsP (sourced from the 2021 XLSX file downloadable from here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/datasets/consumerpriceinflationbasketofgoodsandservices )?
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@ajroach42 @KoreusZ A few (like about 10) years back I bought a lot of coins on ebay for my coin collection. Quickest way to waste a lot of money. They're nice to have and may not cost that much individually, but as they're small items it's easy to get carried away and lose a lot of money. I've learned my lesson on that one...

@DHeadshot @ajroach42 I've played enough CCGs to feel that, "oh, this card's only $20, I'll buy it. I'm sure it'll go in a deck eventually".